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'The visa process was painful': How easy is it to move to Italy for retirement?

Jessica Lionnel
Jessica Lionnel - news@thelocal.it
'The visa process was painful': How easy is it to move to Italy for retirement?
Move to Italy for retirement and live happily ever after - but first, there's some paperwork to deal with. Photo by Harli Marten on Unsplash
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Spending retirement in Italy is a dream for many, but what are the potential obstacles you should be aware of when planning your move? The Local's readers share their experiences and advice.

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Eric Hungerford
I read all the articles for the last year on the Rlective Residency Visa. I turned my application in to the San Franciso Consulate last week. 5 days later I received my visa in the mail. I think something went wrong in my favour. I was expecting to wait 3 months. What a pleasant suprise.
norma r williams
About 30 years ago, when my husband was 57 and I was 46, we moved to Italy permanently. We had retired early from the academic life. By accident we fell into a holiday rental business, starting with renting out part of our house that was in a hill top village in Umbria. We had been part of a house swopping scheme but someone begged us to rent to them because their daughter was due to perform at the Spoleto Festival of 2 Worlds and all the usual holiday venues were fully booked. We ignored all bureaucracy because it all seemed like double Dutch. In those days, ignorance was bliss. It was when we started to grow our business that it became obvious that we must join the system. We employed a commercialista. We still don’t understand the bureaucracy, especially the part whereby you can be charged twice for refuse collection and other bills if your passport is in your maiden name and your codice fiscale is in your married name. That took a few years to resolve. The upshot after 30 years of a tumultuous life in Italy is we are very much part of our local community. We know everyone in this ancient city that predates Rome. And they know us. It’s been a huge privilege to have been accepted by locals whose families go back to the beginning of time. We are very happy here. We love the Italian culture. Locals are quick to offer support at times of need. Laurie is estranged from his children (through no fault of his own) and I have no blood family left alive. The Spoleto community is our family, amongst which are a handful of our special friends. We tend not to socialize with ex pats because we have more in common with our Italian friends. Our Italian is quite poor so we tend to speak in both languages with our friends. We’d prefer to be more competent in the language but unless you’re really prepared to study, it ain’t going to happen. If we had our time again, would we have done anything differently? No! There have been many ups and downs living in Italy. But the plusses have always far outweighed the minuses. Our advice to anyone contemplating a permanent move to Italy is don’t try to do anything bureaucratic yourself. Always pay a local professional expert to resolve problems for you. More importantly, always be respectful to local people, whether they are the road sweeper or the mayor because most likely they are brothers! In Italy, “knowing” someone is what oils the wheels. And in an Italian culture, there is no hierarchy of respect viz a viz status. Everyone has status. And in small Italian cities, everyone knows someone who can be useful. Of course, if you have a title, you are treated with a greater reverence….. “ingegnere”, advocato”, “dotore”. But this is superficial showmanship. The bottom line is that ALL work has dignity for an Italian.. Whatever job you do commands respect, with one exception, that of the politician!! The most surprising thing I learnt about the Italian is how they are so simultaneously both the giver and the taker. You are expected to help out your friends using all means at your disposal. At the same time, you expect to be helped in exactly the same way. Today, an Italian may ask a favour of you in an expectant way. Tomorrow, that same Italian will reciprocate in kind. But not because you did him a favour. This is simply the way it is. Never forget that the Italian culture is more than just good food, ritualistic behaviours, (the passegiata will take place even if it’s snowing!), great weather and fashion to die for. It’s fundamentally a culture of give and take. So, when moving to Italy, be prepared to give of yourself in every way. And you will reap the benefits in shed loads!
Ray Edward Harris
Greetings! My wife and I moved to Pisa Italy in 2021 during the pandemic but even though we had some challenges, thank God he put the right people in our lives. I am a American and my wife is German but I am not new to Europe. Here are some good advice for anyone who wants to move to Italy and retire. Make sure you do a lot of planning and research on where you would like to live. Next, please try to learn a little Italian! Next, please be patience and remember that you are a guest. Even though the first time, my residency permit took a little longer, I was able to apply for my second one by myself. We have managed with the help of some good people to get our Italian IDs, driving license, Tax ID and other documents. We are able to travel back to the United States and throughout Europe with no problems. Please don’t get me wrong, we had our moments when something’s seemed to stand still but if I had to do it again, I would still move to Italy! I hope that this help someone! “The little American’s writer from Pisa Foundation “
Greg
The hassles around almost business transactions seem to have gotten much worse in the last two years. Getting a Tessera Sanitaria this year was more than twice the cost and two months of chaos. We go to the questura in June--11 months after submitting our packet. The delays and unnecessary hoops to jump through gets wearing and starts to tarnish the wonder of being in Italy.

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